Posts by Nathan Natas

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JW nephew graduation party cancelled... your insight is requested

by Alfred in

jw
friends

i have a jw nephew in another state who was at very the top of his high school senior class this year.

because of this, my sister (an elder's wife) had planned and sent out invitations to his "graduation party" which would be held at a community center with all the bells and whistles.

i actually bought plane tickets for my wife and i to attend this party immediately after receiving the invitation in the mail.

Nathan Natas

I'm going to take a different path here and play the DEVIL'S ADVOCATE by giving the JW view on this subject rather than the enlightened, common-sense, humane point of view that most of us have.

From the JW point of view, the parent's actions were completely justified - in fact they didn't go as far as the WTB&TS would have encouraged - they didn't beat him with a rod.

The parents are the authorities in their home, with authorization from god to maintain discipline and obediance. As an elder, the boy's father must demonstrate that he can administer the same sort of dispassionate justice as the god he serves, lest he loose his position as a loving sheperd in the Congregation of God.

This kid is not an impulsive child - he understands the rules, yet, like Adam, he chose to break them. He needs to be punished, and punished in a manner that will make a long-lasting impression on him. As humans, we remember those events that carry an emotional impact.

If the boy is truly repentant, he should ask his father to please stone him to death so that he might be assured a ressurection in Paradise.

His disobedience cost him his long-awaited graduation party. God is love. Hopefully this loving discipline from his paretns will preserve his life when Armageddon arrives. It is now almost as close as it was in 1975.

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Lets make up are own saying in comparison to the WTS " Its just around the corner "

by thetrueone in

the wts.

has been coming up with different sayings to imply that armageddon is just around the corner.. so i thought it would be fun to make up are own sayings and see what we come up with.. i'll start off...... the train is just about to pull into the station.. that egg is just about to hatch .

the weather forecast for today is death and destruction .

Nathan Natas

The Soverreign of the Universe is about to pick the booger of this wicked world from his Divine nostril.

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To be a good Jehovah's Witness you must......

by Sour Grapes in

to be a good jehovah's witness you must:.

have a fear of growing old and be vain about how you look.. struggle to make decisions.. be a nobody who can have power over others.. have a mental disabliity.. have a physical disabilty who wants a cure.. be normal, but have parents who are j.w.'s..

have had bouts of depression.. have a fear of being wrong.. the above are based upon people in the kh.

Nathan Natas

Here you are, straight from the horse's ass mouth - and don't say neigh!

WATCHTOWER, April 1, 1986, pages 30 & 31, "Questions From Readers"

(...)

"Approved association with Jehovah's Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?

That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah's sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17)

That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28)

That there is a "faithful and discreet slave" upon earth today 'entrusted with all of Jesus' earthly interests,' which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47)

That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ's foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15-12:10)

That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3)

That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21)

That it will be followed by Christ's Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise.

That the first to enjoy it will be the present "great crowd" of Jesus' "other sheep."-John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4.

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Preventing a minor child from being baptized if you are their parent

by RayPublisher in

there may be no way legally for me to stop this, but it is a worry since i "woke up" to the truth about the truth a couple years ago.. now my young kids (9 and 11) are heading in that direction at the urging of their mother.

i am still inside and trying to do a fade (for family/friend reasons) but sometimes i wonder if leaving would be smarter in the long run for them.

any thoughts or strategies are welcome.. .

Nathan Natas

Without going to my old NWT to check, I suspect the two stories about the swine differ a bit.

Pigs were unclean - non-kosher - and probably wouldn't have been owned by a Jew.

Jesus destroyed another person's property as a "demon"stration of his mad skilz as a wizard.

If your kids are gently introduced to some of the MANY inconsistencies of "God's Word," they may be less willing to give their lives and their fates to an organization that sings "these words faithful are and true" (or however that old theocratic song went).

I think BlackSheep is giving you a "black ops" or stealth method of getting you kids to experience a bit of cognitive dissonance of their own, which will result in them saying, "hey, wait a minute..." even if they don't say it out loud.

Apparently, for example, the Israelites did not know the value of pi - one of the most universal ratios found in the physical world.

You might even pursue "the secret of the swine" through the Watchtower CDROM to see what illumination it provides on this subject.

Also, on FREEMINDS you can find Ten Essays on Christianity by Tony Wills as a free download here: http://www.freeminds.org/category/2-short-articles.html

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Preventing a minor child from being baptized if you are their parent

by RayPublisher in

there may be no way legally for me to stop this, but it is a worry since i "woke up" to the truth about the truth a couple years ago.. now my young kids (9 and 11) are heading in that direction at the urging of their mother.

i am still inside and trying to do a fade (for family/friend reasons) but sometimes i wonder if leaving would be smarter in the long run for them.

any thoughts or strategies are welcome.. .

Nathan Natas

Assuming his kids want to get baptised RIGHT NOW, how does he prevent it? If the elders and his wife are such dishonest sneaks that they would go behind his back to baptize a child, what can he do to stop it for the time being?

somehow i feel that turning into ULTRA-APOSTATE isn't the way to go. Besides, I've already got that job.

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I prayed for a Kitty today

by pedal power in

jw
friends

me and my wife,a non jw,took her 3 year old country cat to see the vet in edinburgh, i left her at the vets with the cat and went to work, i gave her 20 pounds and told her to get a cab into town to meet me at work.

the vet removes the chicken bone from the cats throat,{the little bastard stole it ,when we were not looking} anyway she gets a bus with cat into town,cost only 1 pound, she does not get cab she keeps 19pounds.

typical, only the cat manages to wriggle out the basket,on princess street, terrified runs helter skelter accross 2, 4 lane highways, avoiding buses taxis,ect, my wife terrified screaming down the phone at me,to come and protect and save her beloved cat.f__k ,my whole world was collapsing before me, i prayed that kitty would live, my wife is sensitive, and she would have been inconsolable had the kitty died on her watch, so i ran out of work, drove through red lights, and prayed,that the little cat survived.

Nathan Natas

I had a cat-shaped hole in my heart after my cat was killed by a car. It's not a fun feeling

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Preventing a minor child from being baptized if you are their parent

by RayPublisher in

there may be no way legally for me to stop this, but it is a worry since i "woke up" to the truth about the truth a couple years ago.. now my young kids (9 and 11) are heading in that direction at the urging of their mother.

i am still inside and trying to do a fade (for family/friend reasons) but sometimes i wonder if leaving would be smarter in the long run for them.

any thoughts or strategies are welcome.. .

Nathan Natas

jwfacts, that is good advice. He is simply helping his children learn to reason clearly so they can do well in school - an admirable motivation for a loving Father! Discussing history in general and the history of science and religion in particular are good strategies. Discuss the many parasitical diseases that exist on earth and let them ask how parasites fulfill god's purpose.

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Preventing a minor child from being baptized if you are their parent

by RayPublisher in

there may be no way legally for me to stop this, but it is a worry since i "woke up" to the truth about the truth a couple years ago.. now my young kids (9 and 11) are heading in that direction at the urging of their mother.

i am still inside and trying to do a fade (for family/friend reasons) but sometimes i wonder if leaving would be smarter in the long run for them.

any thoughts or strategies are welcome.. .

Nathan Natas

Pbrow, your entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong.

If he breaks the family now, he will be seen as a "spiritual threat" to his wife and kids, and the WT will help her gain custody of them. By breaking the family, he will lose time he could spend with his kids and will subject them to unneccessary economic hardship. First he needs to get his wife in line and then he needs to begin discovering the flaws in the Watchtower TOGETHER WITH THEM, not as a demonic outsider.

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Preventing a minor child from being baptized if you are their parent

by RayPublisher in

there may be no way legally for me to stop this, but it is a worry since i "woke up" to the truth about the truth a couple years ago.. now my young kids (9 and 11) are heading in that direction at the urging of their mother.

i am still inside and trying to do a fade (for family/friend reasons) but sometimes i wonder if leaving would be smarter in the long run for them.

any thoughts or strategies are welcome.. .

Nathan Natas

Ask the elders for TWO Bethel applications, and have your wife help them fill it out.

Maybe the elders will mention that they're too young for bethel. "But why? They're young and full of zeal. You boys DID want to go to Bethel, didn't you?"

If your wife brings up the "rather than MEN" quotefirst show her that this applies to "wolrdly" men, not CHISTIAN FATHERS, then counter wiith Paul's " women should be SILENT" comment. If she gives you grief, take her to the elders.

the cards are all in your favor if you play them right.

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Preventing a minor child from being baptized if you are their parent

by RayPublisher in

there may be no way legally for me to stop this, but it is a worry since i "woke up" to the truth about the truth a couple years ago.. now my young kids (9 and 11) are heading in that direction at the urging of their mother.

i am still inside and trying to do a fade (for family/friend reasons) but sometimes i wonder if leaving would be smarter in the long run for them.

any thoughts or strategies are welcome.. .

Nathan Natas

Challenge your wife to explain why infant baptism is wrong and what the signs of "maturity" are.